Koopa 2 Map !SPOILERS!

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Koopa 2 Map !SPOILERS!

Posted by Lambtaco - January 18th, 2010

So, I've decided on the new map for Koopa 2. I'm going to keep the one big map style, but it's going to be much more interesting to look at. I took inspiration from the map in the manual for Super Mario World. Always liked the way that map looked.

Some may notice I've cut down on the number of levels from my original proclaimation of 80. But to be fair I also said it'd likely end up being more like 40, and the levels are pretty long. I've also cut it down to 7 worlds rath than 8. Mostly to get it done a bit quicker. I want this thing finished just as much as you do.

I'm also trying to cut down on the music used in game. So I'm merging some of the level themes together among other work reducing changes. It's going to take a lot of compromising to get this thing done.

It's not completely final, especially for the later worlds, World 7 in particular. I sort of rushed it to get it done, and cramped World 7 because I was running out of space on the paper. Here's the map, so spoilers are here.

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Koopa 2 Map !SPOILERS!

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Alberto66 2010-01-22 14:49:47

Wow, nice MCSMstudios. I like Koopa 2 Map!

Lambtaco 2010-01-22 14:49:47

I thought you'd like it.

ChessmasterD 2010-01-23 14:55:50

Hi, I'm new, and liked the original. Koopa 2 looks very cool. But, there's 7 koopalings, and only 7 worlds. Could it be, that there is a Koopa 3 that may come out in the future?!?
On another note, I have a few ideas...
1. Mario's loyal servant is a wizard named Tamek, or Toadek, or something like that. (Based off Kamek, of course.) It's his magic that brings the objects to life.
2.Boss (maybe for water world) Toilet. It has wheels and a rocket booster to move. Attacks are: 1. Jumps on Koopa. 2. Spits out an enemy (Toadlet, Paratoadlet, etc.) 3. Whirlpool. It spits out a whirlpool that bounces around the room for the rest of the battle. This causes no damage, but if it hits koopa, he gets thrown around and stunned for a moment. It shoots one at the start of the battle, and one every time it's hit. 4. Vaccum. Sucks up all the enemies it had spat out, and shoots them like a missile at koopa. Then it falls over, letting you jump on its weak point. (The rocket pack.) It takes three jumps to kill, or 12 bones. (Maybe too many, perhaps only 6.) It's immune to fire. What do you think? (I know it's kinda funny, but so is this whole game, really.)
3. FINAL BOSS IDEA: Part 1: Mario just fights you. First, has fire flower powerup, and throws fire at you. Then, is regular mario, tries to jump you. Finally, is regular mario, creates shockwaves by ground-pounding. Jump him or shoot him three times. Part 2: He gets in the Mario version of the clown car, stomps toadek, and takes his wand. He will either shoot a magic bolt, or have the clown car pound you. Occasionally, the bolt will become a powerup block for koopa to use. Finally, the car will crash. Hit the wand, he'll get back in. Now the wand shoots two magic bolts, or a bunch of fire. Repeat it. Now, he shoots 3 bolts, fire, or greg-eggs. Repeat one more time. Now, final stage. Part 3: After Toadek gets his wand back, and warps you all to the roof, he creates mario's ultimate weapon: A giant pipe organ!!! (I know you once said the best instrument boss is an accordion, but I prefer pipe organs. They're awesome.) Mario jumps inside it. This fight, you battle the pipe organ Yoshi's Island final boss style, and Toadek. Also, the pipe organ will be marching forward, if it gets too close, the platform explodes, and you die. Pipe organ attacks: 1. Shoots a bolt of energy into the sky. An arrow appears where it's going to land. It falls from the sky, and lands there. 2. Shoots a blast of energy, (like the fireballs in Yoshis island) 3.Creates a target,which moves around a screen. This has a constant laser coming from it. Don't let it hit koopa! 4. Creates a target, and flings a extra powerful enemy through it into the battle. 5. Creates some homing laser notes that chase koopa. Okay, now for Toadek's attacks. 1. Shoots a bolt of magic. 2. Shoots out a bunch of enemies to fight you. 3. Swoops at you on his broomstick. 4. Shoots a bunch stream of mushrooms. When he swoops, you must jump on him. He will drop his wand. Grab it. Hold the run button to create a target in the background, move it around with the arrow keys, let go when it's aimed at the pipe organ. Koopa will shoot a bolt of magic, and drop the wand. Toadek will pick it back up. Rinse and repeat until destroying the organ. ( 6 shots, maybe.)
Okay, I know that was a ton of stuff for a new guy to suggest, but I thank you for reading it. I hope you like them. Finally, I'm glad your including an airship. Those are awesome. And, I also want to design games, so expect more ideas. I have a lot of ideas for Mario games. Bye!

Lambtaco 2010-01-23 14:55:50

Well, SMW had only 7 worlds but all 7 Koopalings. I'm not saying there won't be a Koopa 3, but I'm not planning to make one right now.
1. That's fairly similar to some things I'm already using.
2. lol, toilet. Interseting, but the game isn't set up to "stun" the player. Though maybe it should be. Sledge Bros. and such.
3. Well, that was detailed. I don't have any concrete plans for the final boss but it will probably involve an unprotected Mario.

ChessmasterD 2010-01-23 15:07:04

Sorry about the double post. I haven't figured out how too edit my old ones yet. (I've only been on about 20 minutes!) Anyhoo, I wanted to say that I'm sorry that my last post wasn't very related to this. And, the koopa 2 map looks very cool, nicely done. I can only say, the desert doesn't look too deserty, except for the pyramid. I know your not done, but still. Maybe some cactuses? And, what are the switches, the crashed ship, and the "S" for? Or are you not going to tell? And, are you going to put in anything like mushroom houses? (Maybe shell houses.) That's all for real, now.

Lambtaco 2010-01-23 15:07:04

I don't think it's possible to edit posts. The desert will look more deserty in the game, a lot of it has to do with the colours. The switches are just like the ones in Super Mario World, and the crashed ship is sort of a hubworld/traininglevel/tipcentre. It does all sorts of things. The S is a secret.
Not going to put in mushroom houses, but I like the idea of shell houses. The game resembles SMW more for the map, and there's no way to store items, it's oldschool like that. IF you want an item you'll have to go get one.

ChessmasterD 2010-01-24 16:15:15

Oops, you said bagpipes is the best boss instrument, not accordions. Also, can somebody please tell me how to edit posts? It would make this a bit easier.

inspectertaz 2010-01-26 07:18:11

...first 80 to 60 stages now 8 to 7 worlds.. you really want to get it done quickly right? ..cuz it might end up with 1 level 1 boss and stuff like that..

Lambtaco 2010-01-26 07:18:11

It's just taking forever is all. I've been working on it on and off for almost two years. I've already finsihed over a dozen levels, only one boss so far, but I can guarantee there'll be more bosses than the first game.

A project this size is just too much. If I made flash games full time and didn't have a real job it'd probably be done already.

SJustin 2010-01-26 12:05:11

Lookin good. ^_^

Lambtaco 2010-01-26 12:05:11

You're not so bad yourself ;)

ChessmasterD 2010-01-26 20:14:37

Prepare for more ideas...
1. Toadek fights. You'll fight him midway through the game. (Maybe in sky world, or second ghost house.) He's a mini-boss, not a major one. He attacks by launching a magic bolt at Koopa. He shuffles back and forth on a bridge made of multiple platforms above a pit. After you jump him once, he blows up some platforms, so it's harder. (He'll warp across the pits.) Jump him again, and he'll make the platforms move up and down. Jump him again to kill him.
2. As a hand to the original Koopa's Revenge, have Mario's castle be 3 levels. I regular, one boss refight floor, and one final level. On the refight, you'll fight harder bosses, and a harder Toadek. He'll have a force field around him. Same arena as before. When he's on the right platform, a switch will appear. Hit it to blow up the platform. Do this 3 times, he will lose the shield and make the platforms move. One hit, he makes lava by the ceiling that the platforms can go into. One more, he makes lava at the bottom. One more, he dies. Then you fight Yoshi King Round 7.
3. Yoshi King attack possibilities. (In ascending order of appearance.)
1) Jump on Koopa. (Causes shockwaves)
2) Poop out Greg-eggs.
3) Spit a fruit missile.
4) Spit out a Yoshi.
5) Use his crown like a boomerang.
6) Sticks out his tongue and tries to swallow Koopa.
7) Breaths fire like Koopa could in the first one.
8) Shoots a homing magic bolt.

4. Floor 3 of Mario's castle: The Looping hall. After some traps, you come to the boss door and the flagpole. Go through it, and you see Bowser! And then he attacks you! o__0 He shoots a stream of fire. Jump on him once, and he turns into the last Koopaling. He'll shoot smoke rings at you. Jump him, he turns into Koopa! He attacks by shell sliding. Jump him, he turns into a Goomba, who tries to jump you. Hit him, and he turns into dry bones, which attacks just like the Koopa. Jump him (you have to, he's immune to anything else,) and he reforms as: Dry Yoshi King!!! Back from the dead, he has all his attacks, and a homing magic bolt. Kill him, and you find the real boss door... or not. You go back and do the same thing again. And someone tells you you've fallen into Mario's trap, and are stuck in an endless loop! Ha-ha! If you like this idea, I'll PM you the way out so everyone can find out for themselves.
5. Just a note, if you don't like the toilet, but like the way that boss fights, you could do a washing machine instead.
6. Boss: Candle. I know this has been suggested before, but I have an idea. (Maybe for the desert.) He sucks up all the fire on the torches, so it's dark, with just a little circle of light around Koopa, and a big one by the candle. It can warp to different locations in the arena, and touching it hurts. Attacks: 1. Shoots a fireball at Koopa. 2. Spits out some powder from the base, and sets it on fire, causing an explosion. 3. (After being hit a few times) Spits 3 molten wax bolts. 4. Makes fireballs fall from the sky. These will light the torches, which do go out after a while. Pick one up, and throw it at the wax candlestick. It will melt. Do this until all the torches are gone, and it dies.
7. Boss: Chandelier. Sort of like a giant spider. Hangs from the ceiling, shoots lightning from it's bulbs, tries to drop on Koopa. Drops diamond crystals.

Okay, I think thats all the ideas I had for now. Wait, no, that's not it. Here are some music suggestions:

For Castle 1 or Castle 7:
<a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/171702">http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/liste n/171702</a>
(If that doesn't come out as a link, go to the audio portal and click Monstrous Turtles.)
For a Boss, Mini-boss, or Final boss:
<a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/63021">http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/liste n/63021</a>
(If that doesn't come out as a link, go to the audio portal, search Big Boss, click the first one that comes up.

Okay, now it's everything. Except, if those don't come out as links, could you please tell me how to make them links? And Koopa 2 is looking better every time.

Lambtaco 2010-01-26 20:14:37

1. That boss sounds an awful lot like Kamek in NSMBW, which is also a lot like a boss in Yoshi's Island.
2. I was planning on making it two levels. As you can see, the castle is huge. The idea is to have the one final level, and also an extra level for when you get the good ending.
3. I've already got 7 attacks mapped out, but I do need an eighth.
1) I actually have two attacks for this, one where he flutter-jumps toward you, and another where he ground pounds. The ground pounding creates the shockwaves.
2) Already have that one on my list.
3) Hmm, don't have anything fruit related yet. I'll think about it.
4) Yoshis are pretty useless. Although I've recently made them stronger.
5) I would but it implies you can jump on his head like K. Rool in DKC. TO hurt him you need to get him to charge into a wall head first, so that he gets dizzy and falls onto his back, revealing his soft belly.
6) Already had that one too.
7) I was going to have him shoot fireballs like when yoshi spits out a red shell in SMW.
8) Doesn't seem yoshi-like or king-like.
In case you were wondering, the other attack is throwing an egg like in Yoshi's Island (I might even use the aiming sound effect)
4. I'm going to keep Bowser out of sight until the very end of the game, to tease the player. That boss seems a little complicated for a 2D platformer, too many transformations. Trying to keep the game more formulaic.
5. That makes sense. I've only really planned out 4 bosses.
6. The darkness seems a bit gimmicky for a boss, but for some reason, not for a level. The bosses don't have to have anything to do with the world they're in, just so you know.

Music:
1. Not quite active enough. It takes 30 seconds to get into it, whereas the original song took 3. Plus it's kinda long and a poor loop.
2. Kinda technoish. Boss songs really need to jump right in, not warm up for 15 seconds or more. Preferably akll the songs shouldn't warm up much.

ChessmasterD 2010-01-27 14:58:49

Igloo Castle music:
<a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/306951">http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/liste n/306951</a>
Ice Night Music
<a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/119522">http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/liste n/119522</a>

Lambtaco 2010-01-27 14:58:49

1. I don't really like the voices at the beginning. And there's something just a little offputting about it. Might be too similar to the Whale song.
2. I just don't like this one. The instruments sound kinda bad together. Feels more loungy than anything.

ChessmasterD 2010-01-27 17:44:42

Menu music:
1. <a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/275664">http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/liste n/275664</a>
2. (could also work as a boss theme.) <a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/91223">http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/liste n/91223</a>
3. (could also work for a boss or castle theme) <a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/184698">http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/liste n/184698</a>

Lambtaco 2010-01-27 17:44:42

1. Too dancey. Warms up too long, like a lot of electronic songs. Menu music shouldn't be too long because you barely spend any time on the menu.
2. If it can also work for a boss or castle it probably won't make good menu music. Compare it to the emotion from the menu song in the first game. The menu is a happy optimistic place.
3. This one just bores me. And it's like 5 freakin' minutes long. I have a filesize to consider here. I've actually cut a lot of songspots out of the game for that reason. The old songs list was nearly tice as long.

ChessmasterD 2010-02-02 07:16:58

Okay, how about these?
1. Tornadoes in the desert that cause controls to temporarily reverse.
2.If not the pipe organ for the final boss, use it for sky world. Instead of Toadek being there, it will sometimes launch out blocks you can throw at it.
3. Maybe some other kind of looping area, where you must find the right path. In the first castle, or maybe the pyramid, because it sounds kind of maze-ish to me.
4.In one of the ghost houses, some nasty ghosts shoot magic that can turn you into a goomba. Now you have no powerups, one hit kills you, and you can't kill anything. (You can still jump, though.) You just wait for it to were off. You come back shell-less.
5. Bosses at the ends of some ghost houses.
That's all!

Lambtaco 2010-02-02 07:16:58

1. That's more of an idea for a puzzle platformer. This game's more action oriented.
2. Not too worried about bosses, whatever ends up being in there should be fine.
3. Proably in a ghost house. I never really enjoyed the repeating sections, especially because of the time limits. I've revamped the background scrolling so it should be easy to do now.
4. Can't do that, Goomba's already going to be a playable character. Plus it's pretty unfair to the player. Worked in Zelda, but I see it just being annoying here.
5. It's a lot easier just to finish the game as planned than to add some more bosses. Something like that would take too much time, the game's already behind schedule.

Don't feel bad if I don't use all your ideas. I've already decided a lot of things, and a lot of stuff has already been made.

haos1012 2010-02-06 19:57:13

How much longer will it be until everyone can play this? I just started playing a couple days ago and i beat the whole thing including the super secret level and it was so much fun :)

Lambtaco 2010-02-06 19:57:13

I really can't say. But I want to get it out ASAP.

haos1012 2010-02-07 12:37:31

It looks great, I cant wait for this thing to be done!

Lambtaco 2010-02-07 12:37:31

Me neither.

inspectertaz 2010-02-08 12:40:09

dont you have others to help you with it?

Lambtaco 2010-02-08 12:40:09

Nope.

inspectertaz 2010-02-09 06:44:35

that explians.. ALOT.

btw theres a video of cheating koopa's revenge 1 besides that hack video months ago..

Lambtaco 2010-02-09 06:44:35

Yeah, I know there's tons. Makes me feel good that people make videos about a game I made though.

inspectertaz 2010-02-09 06:45:27

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc7VH-solhY&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc7VH-
solhY&feature=related</a>

i hope the next one is cheat proof

Lambtaco 2010-02-09 06:45:27

Meh, I was aware of that when I made it. If people want to cheat they should be able to. Koopa 2 won't have that same exploit though.

ethanciavo 2010-02-12 18:54:01

maybe a gomba helper cud work after a boss you can control a gomba

toadee 2010-08-13 11:32:43

Cool map! Is Mario's castle in this game? Is Mario a boss? Because on a screenshot of the ghost house mario statues are everywhere

1999Elias 2015-06-06 12:38:08

I still don't know where to find the other 3 Koopalings and the Red Switch Palace xD
Also great ideas for items, I loved Shy-Guy ones; the Ghost, the Meta-Knight (I'm not a Kirby fan but I always thought Meta Knight dress is awesome), the Chainsaw Dad is very nice too :)

Lambtaco 2015-06-06 12:38:08

Kinda random post to comment on, but whatevs. I've actually made videos showing the locations of al the Koopalings and all the secert exits (Red Switch Palace) You should check them out on the youtubes.

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